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The OSGB has developed a new co-ordinate system and I would like to have it working in AutoCAD Map 3D 2012, 2014 and 2016 (several users). The new code is OSTN15 (to replace OSTN02). Is there a way I can import a new co-ordinate system into these versions of Map 3D? I tried the MAPCSLIBRARYIMPORT command, but it just said 'unknown command'.

I've downloaded the files from the OS and I was hoping somewhere I could just run a command that would do it for me, so I don't have to define a co-ordinate system manually. The downloaded OS files include 4 pdfs, a.GEM, a.csc and a.DAT Apparently the change will only make about 11-15mm difference, but I'd like to keep everyone up to date if I can. Any ideas anyone? Thanks Janine. Dave What I heard back from the OS regarding OSTN15 is below.

Seems like it is well beyond me and I would need an expert to guide me through it, or someone in Autodesk to release an update including OSTN15, if that is even possible. I'm still slightly baffled though as it isn't a co-ordinate system. My head hurts just thinking about it. Janine Two changes were implemented to OS coordinate systems on Friday.

Our technical document “A guide to coordinate systems in Great Britain” has also been updated -. The two changes were: • The coordinates of all the stations in the OS Net network (that supplies RINEX data) were updated to an improved realisation of the ETRS89 coordinate frame. The change between the old (“v2001”) OS Net coordinates and new (“v2009”) is generally small (about 15mm RMS). • OSTN02/OSGM02 was updated to OSTN15/OSGM15. The changes in OSTN02/15 (the horizontal transformation) are small.

The changes in OSGM02/15 (the height transformation) are larger due to improvements in the underlying gravity model and also improvements in its fit to the mean sea level datums. To gain the best accuracy from OS Net RINEX data used from now on it would be best to employ OSTN15 in your survey equipment and AutoCAD. Regarding survey kit the antenna phase centre offsets that go with OS Net station RINEX data have also been updated.

Details of the offsets to now use with OS Net RINEX are here - OSTN15 and OSGM15 are not really coordinate systems that can be described by a few parameters but complex transformations between systems. OSTN15 links ETRS89/WGS84 with the legacy OSGB36 mapping system and OSGM15 links heights from ETRS89/WGS84 with legacy heights related to mean sea level Ordnance Datum Newlyn (ODN) and other datums used on e.g. Scottish Islands. Both OSTN15 and OSGM15 (and the 02 version) are grids of transformation parameters at 1km density and 700km x 1250km size so that’s over 2.6 million parameters (dE, dN, dH). I know nothing about setting up AutoCAD I am afraid but I assume that if you had OSTN02/OSGM02 in it you need to replicate the use of the OSTN02/OSGM02 parameter file with that for OSTN15/OSGM15.

The OSTN15/OSGM15 parameter file is exactly the same format as that for OSTN02/OSGM02 and is available here -. All other parameters such as the defining constants for ETRS89 and OSGB36 are unchanged and the transformation algorithm is unchanged also. Technical details of how the transformation is implemented are in the guide contained in the developer’s pack.

Looking at your screen grabs I ASSUME that OSTN02 was introduced to AutoCAD using the raw data file because of the ‘Source’ reference in the first screen grab – “Transformations and OSGM02 User Guide”. So, my GUESS is that you will need the OSTN15 developers pack referenced above (and the new guide contained therein). I would hope that some in Autodesk could help with this since it’s clearly been done before for OSTN02. Neil, 'Bit of a Black Art' indeed!

My head hurts from trying to understand this. OK, so from I found a potential nugget of information: 'Back in the 1930’s, the UK Ordnance Survey defined ‘OSGB-36’ as the datum for the UK, based on the ‘Airy 1830’ ellipsoid. In 2014, they deprecated OSGB-36 in favour of WGS-84 for latitude/longitude coordinates, but OSGB-36 is still the basis for OS grid references. The Greenwich Observatory – historically the ‘prime meridian’ – is around 000°00′05″W on the WGS-84 datum (a difference of a bit over 100 metres): and moving every year.

(I find the history of cartography facinating: I will put together a reading list sometime). So to convert a (WGS84) latitude/longitude point to an OS grid reference, it must first be converted from the WGS84 datum to the OSGB36 datum, then have the transverse Mercator projection applied to transform it from a curved surface to a flat one.' If that is true, then is OSTN15 the transformation between the WGS84 Datum and the OSGB36 Datum? That makes sense, and would explain why things changed from 1997 to 2002 to 2015, but I still don't know what to do with it.